logiclife
03-08 10:49 AM
This is in reference to a thread about feeling depressed by retrogression or labor backlogs to stuck FBI namechecks or whatever it is that depresses you. Not criticizing anyone in particular so dont aim for me.
Yes, and a lot of people know that there are highly skilled people who are depressed and that takes a toll on employee productivity.
After all, if 90% of your time is spent on thinking about BECs and visa bulletins, imagine if that time was spent on doing the job they've hired you for.
Some employers(like Microsoft) realize this and want to do something about it. Its not just about keeping the best and brightest here in USA. Its also about keeping the morale and productivity up.
As to how to deal with this...try this.
Call your local congressman's office(Find out info about that from House.gov, with your zipcode). Get an appointment with congressman. There is an Easter recess coming up when they would be back from DC.
Then talk to him about all issues you have. Take all the material you need from the "Volunteer" menu item of this website.
Doing something about the problem is the best therapy there is. I am not saying this because I want to coax you into meeting your congressman. No. That's not the objective. But I think action is the best remedy for this problem. And there is actionable stuff to do about this. If you are suffering from terminal cancer, then you really cant do anything about that. This is not such a problem. This is a problem for which the solution is out there.
Somehow, after landing in this country, people lose the appetite for risk and adventure. Before they are in here, they would move mountains to score an H1 or an F1. After coming here, they hunker down, heads-under-the-desk kind of approach. What I am talking about is nearly 200 people right now, who have read this post, but havent logged in. They wouldnt log in. They wouldnt give their real email address if they sign up. They would never contribute. WHY? Because they are afraid. That they will be deported. For no reason. Everything we do is legal, including raising funds and spending it on lobbying. But they are afraid. They are also afraid that by talking to congressmen, they will make them mad and the congressman will pick up the phone, call USCIS and then get their 140 cancelled. Yes. People create their own fastasies and become afraid of them..
Yesterday, nearly 2000 Irish illegals went to capitol hill (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/0308/1173121325488.html)and talked to various lawmakers to lobby for CIR and legalization. They were illegals. Yet, the somehow managed to walk into the building where laws of this country are made, talk to people who make the laws that they have broken, go thru Capitol Hill security check, and look into the eye of the lawmaker and talk to them.
However, our community, this is how they behave. Forget about talking to congressman, or contributing money. When they call the core group with a question, they block the caller id can call. Dont disclose their name too. Ask a questions and then quickely hang up. Some of them want to contribute with cash because they are not willing to believe us that we are doing everything legal here and its their right to lobbying and petition the Government for problems.
After paying taxes, after following all immigration laws, after getting all the education in the world to become "Highly skilled", the highly skilled cant bring themselves to stand-up with a straight spine, thump their desk and talk to their lawmaker.
So at the end of the day, if we are depressed that legals dont get attention, then you know where to look for blame : the highly skilled who are highly educated and too afraid because their education and skills make them think too much and analyze too much, and they are afraid all the time.
Yes, and a lot of people know that there are highly skilled people who are depressed and that takes a toll on employee productivity.
After all, if 90% of your time is spent on thinking about BECs and visa bulletins, imagine if that time was spent on doing the job they've hired you for.
Some employers(like Microsoft) realize this and want to do something about it. Its not just about keeping the best and brightest here in USA. Its also about keeping the morale and productivity up.
As to how to deal with this...try this.
Call your local congressman's office(Find out info about that from House.gov, with your zipcode). Get an appointment with congressman. There is an Easter recess coming up when they would be back from DC.
Then talk to him about all issues you have. Take all the material you need from the "Volunteer" menu item of this website.
Doing something about the problem is the best therapy there is. I am not saying this because I want to coax you into meeting your congressman. No. That's not the objective. But I think action is the best remedy for this problem. And there is actionable stuff to do about this. If you are suffering from terminal cancer, then you really cant do anything about that. This is not such a problem. This is a problem for which the solution is out there.
Somehow, after landing in this country, people lose the appetite for risk and adventure. Before they are in here, they would move mountains to score an H1 or an F1. After coming here, they hunker down, heads-under-the-desk kind of approach. What I am talking about is nearly 200 people right now, who have read this post, but havent logged in. They wouldnt log in. They wouldnt give their real email address if they sign up. They would never contribute. WHY? Because they are afraid. That they will be deported. For no reason. Everything we do is legal, including raising funds and spending it on lobbying. But they are afraid. They are also afraid that by talking to congressmen, they will make them mad and the congressman will pick up the phone, call USCIS and then get their 140 cancelled. Yes. People create their own fastasies and become afraid of them..
Yesterday, nearly 2000 Irish illegals went to capitol hill (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/0308/1173121325488.html)and talked to various lawmakers to lobby for CIR and legalization. They were illegals. Yet, the somehow managed to walk into the building where laws of this country are made, talk to people who make the laws that they have broken, go thru Capitol Hill security check, and look into the eye of the lawmaker and talk to them.
However, our community, this is how they behave. Forget about talking to congressman, or contributing money. When they call the core group with a question, they block the caller id can call. Dont disclose their name too. Ask a questions and then quickely hang up. Some of them want to contribute with cash because they are not willing to believe us that we are doing everything legal here and its their right to lobbying and petition the Government for problems.
After paying taxes, after following all immigration laws, after getting all the education in the world to become "Highly skilled", the highly skilled cant bring themselves to stand-up with a straight spine, thump their desk and talk to their lawmaker.
So at the end of the day, if we are depressed that legals dont get attention, then you know where to look for blame : the highly skilled who are highly educated and too afraid because their education and skills make them think too much and analyze too much, and they are afraid all the time.
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dr_vroeg
06-22 03:18 PM
I'd agree to that
Abhinaym
09-25 10:03 AM
In any system if you club large group of applicants based on a dichotomy, and say you will get lesser share than the rest, isn't that how you describe preferential treatment ? Is there any other way to describe the current country-quota system?
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Continuing on your example. Let me give another example of why this quota system is ridiculuous. Let's consider a Srilankan Tamil and an Indian Tamil. What would be so different between the two, in terms of social contribution to the US, that the 'diversity' rule makes an actual difference? Again what is the great benefit achieved by making it easier for one group to get a GC over the other? You can even think of other examples too.
I dont' want to start off a culture war here by making controversial statements, but try to understand the core of what I'm trying to say. That is, there is no perceivable difference between you and I, at least in terms of employability, that this diversity concept can make a meaningful benefit out of.
In fact it probably makes much more economical sense to have quotas based on the subject's political or scientific inclination rather than national origin! In today's connected world, nationality has no meaning.
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Continuing on your example. Let me give another example of why this quota system is ridiculuous. Let's consider a Srilankan Tamil and an Indian Tamil. What would be so different between the two, in terms of social contribution to the US, that the 'diversity' rule makes an actual difference? Again what is the great benefit achieved by making it easier for one group to get a GC over the other? You can even think of other examples too.
I dont' want to start off a culture war here by making controversial statements, but try to understand the core of what I'm trying to say. That is, there is no perceivable difference between you and I, at least in terms of employability, that this diversity concept can make a meaningful benefit out of.
In fact it probably makes much more economical sense to have quotas based on the subject's political or scientific inclination rather than national origin! In today's connected world, nationality has no meaning.
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admin
04-07 12:37 PM
Some of us have been asking us how you can contribute money. Our contributions page explains this - http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44
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sbabunle
02-07 11:42 PM
Its a very tough business to calculate the dates or numbers...
First of all nobody gives an actuall count of cases accurately...
Nobody know how many cases pending with USCIS...Nobody knows
how much would be PD based distribution...Nobody knows how many
people got LC but who cant apply for I485 because of retrogression..
We always thought that there is 360k application in BEC and since those LC have PD from 2000 to 2005 there are no chances of fast movement of PD in year 2007 especially for EB3 and EB2(Indian , China).
After reading this news it seems employer withdrew many cases, which they filled for employee who no longer work for company, so certified case is going to be only 100k, much lesser then 360 k. How many more years it will take to clear these 100k LC? I don't think it should take more then 2 years...
But you know logic doesn�t work with US immigration system and we also don�t know how many people are applying through EB1 and EB2-ROW, which are current, we also don't know how many people are already sitting in 485 stage�
First of all nobody gives an actuall count of cases accurately...
Nobody know how many cases pending with USCIS...Nobody knows
how much would be PD based distribution...Nobody knows how many
people got LC but who cant apply for I485 because of retrogression..
We always thought that there is 360k application in BEC and since those LC have PD from 2000 to 2005 there are no chances of fast movement of PD in year 2007 especially for EB3 and EB2(Indian , China).
After reading this news it seems employer withdrew many cases, which they filled for employee who no longer work for company, so certified case is going to be only 100k, much lesser then 360 k. How many more years it will take to clear these 100k LC? I don't think it should take more then 2 years...
But you know logic doesn�t work with US immigration system and we also don�t know how many people are applying through EB1 and EB2-ROW, which are current, we also don't know how many people are already sitting in 485 stage�
sanju
03-11 10:35 AM
Don't be after the whole town because your son doesn't resemble you, check your next door neighbor first....
If I start attacking your wife and kids on this forum you will immediately cry foul. But you want different rules for yourself. Let me take a higher road and not go down to your level.
Forum Admin,
Please put a check on this mirage guy/gal. Otherwise please give everyone a free pass to say what everyone has to say. Its not fair that you warn me in a private message but you let mirage say anything that he wants. Its ok to attack me, but my family is out of bound. If this doesn't apply on me, then it should not apply on mirage, and I should be given a free choice to attack mirage's wife and children, right? I do not intend on posting something for anyone's wife/hisband and children because that is not who I am, but I want to make sure you enforce the same rules here as you enforced on me the other day.
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If I start attacking your wife and kids on this forum you will immediately cry foul. But you want different rules for yourself. Let me take a higher road and not go down to your level.
Forum Admin,
Please put a check on this mirage guy/gal. Otherwise please give everyone a free pass to say what everyone has to say. Its not fair that you warn me in a private message but you let mirage say anything that he wants. Its ok to attack me, but my family is out of bound. If this doesn't apply on me, then it should not apply on mirage, and I should be given a free choice to attack mirage's wife and children, right? I do not intend on posting something for anyone's wife/hisband and children because that is not who I am, but I want to make sure you enforce the same rules here as you enforced on me the other day.
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Macaca
02-15 01:47 PM
I am responding to some issues raised in the closed thread All big talks about Feb 15th relief (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3275). I feel that these issues need to be addressed.
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obviously
06-23 12:45 PM
Can we each leave a 'personalized note' on how much we have contributed in Federal / State / Social Security taxes + Medicare / etc.???? Even a rough order estimate... to get them to listen to us seriously.
Is this something that IV can help co-ordinate?
1. State-wise, collect estimates of taxes paid till date
2. Collect the data (anonymously, of course) and send a written brief to each Senator in that state - making a clear economic case to how we contribute
3. Collect the data (nationally, with statistical analysis thrown in) and send a written brief to all Senators - making a case at a national level.
We need eye-popping numbers, charts and quotes ... to continue the PR around high skilled immigrant needs.
Thoughts?
Is this something that IV can help co-ordinate?
1. State-wise, collect estimates of taxes paid till date
2. Collect the data (anonymously, of course) and send a written brief to each Senator in that state - making a clear economic case to how we contribute
3. Collect the data (nationally, with statistical analysis thrown in) and send a written brief to all Senators - making a case at a national level.
We need eye-popping numbers, charts and quotes ... to continue the PR around high skilled immigrant needs.
Thoughts?
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tsnaresh
04-19 08:17 AM
I am happy about OP's Green card. I want to get some answers for some questions, been in this country for 16 years, wan't to get my Green card man(june 2003)
NNreddy,
I know what you are going through...man...I am also in the same boat. I have been on H1 since 1997. It is really encouraging to see the EB3 folks getting the Green Cards.
NNreddy,
I know what you are going through...man...I am also in the same boat. I have been on H1 since 1997. It is really encouraging to see the EB3 folks getting the Green Cards.
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ita
12-20 10:08 AM
I don't how to start a poll but wouldn't it be nice to see how many of us mailed so we can have a count?
Thank you.
Thank you.
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gk_2000
04-22 10:55 AM
Hey, Just wondering where is Mr. Moron these days ? Didnt see him for last two days? went off to exile with Ram and Sita ? :p
Why are members losing it these days?
Why are members losing it these days?
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darslee
07-13 09:25 PM
As anxious as I am waiting for the HUGE news, I agree with you Drona. Any announcemen t today would have detracted from the bigger long term issues. March your heart out and know that we are with you all in spirit! :)
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franklin
07-13 04:03 AM
The bad news is.... I can only find the Mandarin link! It was broadcast in English too
This was set up by another Bay Area organization that primarily has Chinese members. They invited us to speak as well, which was incredibly nice of them.
http://www.ktsf.com/share/news/today_m1.html :D
This was set up by another Bay Area organization that primarily has Chinese members. They invited us to speak as well, which was incredibly nice of them.
http://www.ktsf.com/share/news/today_m1.html :D
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gg_ny
09-14 09:00 AM
I will be doing these soon.
Pappu, your inbox is full and cant take any more messages .. I have a suggestion, there may be members willing to spend time to help at the same time they may not able to spend hours / Daily but hours / Weekly. They probably can be assigned meaningful tasks to help you.
Pappu, pl clean up your mailbox! I sent a Nature article with potetial contacts but the mail bounced back. On a lighter side, at least tell me you are very busy at DC right now and won't be able to do this ;-)
-gg
Pappu, your inbox is full and cant take any more messages .. I have a suggestion, there may be members willing to spend time to help at the same time they may not able to spend hours / Daily but hours / Weekly. They probably can be assigned meaningful tasks to help you.
Pappu, pl clean up your mailbox! I sent a Nature article with potetial contacts but the mail bounced back. On a lighter side, at least tell me you are very busy at DC right now and won't be able to do this ;-)
-gg
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unitednations
03-30 09:23 PM
Thank you. I am trying to find out if people have got denials in spite of going through the NOID process.
Received one today.
Weirdest thing:
Person's 140 was revoked by employer;
person received notice of intent to deny. NOID clearly stated that 140 was revoked by employer then quoted ac21 law and said beneficiary may be eligible and to give job offer letter.
person responded with letter from new ac21 employer with perfectly matching job duties/descriptions.
uscis sent denial. Denial only stated that 140 was revoked and 140 immigrant petition is needed to get greencard.
Don't know if this is a new procedure that they are following the main law where a valied 140 is needed the whole time.
Received one today.
Weirdest thing:
Person's 140 was revoked by employer;
person received notice of intent to deny. NOID clearly stated that 140 was revoked by employer then quoted ac21 law and said beneficiary may be eligible and to give job offer letter.
person responded with letter from new ac21 employer with perfectly matching job duties/descriptions.
uscis sent denial. Denial only stated that 140 was revoked and 140 immigrant petition is needed to get greencard.
Don't know if this is a new procedure that they are following the main law where a valied 140 is needed the whole time.
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prince_waiting
12-12 11:22 PM
IV managed to fight its way through the July visa bulleting fiasco and compelled the USCIS to honor the original bulletin. Even after witnessing such a huge achievement if some people are making comments like they would like to weigh IV's worth before deciding to make contributions then they can be classified as perennial skeptics.
Visa bulletin after visa bulletin is putting us into a spiraling depressive state. IV is the only organization which is interested in solving this retrogression mess affecting highly skilled immigrants.
Make IV a paid subscription organization at $50 membership fees per annum. It is better to have 10000 members who can surely generate half a million dollars in revenue, rather than 25000 members who take about 8 days to generate 30000 in funds.
Visa bulletin after visa bulletin is putting us into a spiraling depressive state. IV is the only organization which is interested in solving this retrogression mess affecting highly skilled immigrants.
Make IV a paid subscription organization at $50 membership fees per annum. It is better to have 10000 members who can surely generate half a million dollars in revenue, rather than 25000 members who take about 8 days to generate 30000 in funds.
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laborchic
01-06 02:02 PM
I posted this question at Change.gov. It has 301 votes now ...please vote for it and have others do it as well.
Current US Immigration laws create, long delays for LEGAL, highly skilled immigrants, in getting their permanent residency. These immigrants pay their dues. When you'll address their concerns or you'lll continue to punish them for following law?"
Engineer: Can you please provide the link for your question on Change.gov
We will ask our friends and colleagues to vote for it.
Great job..
Current US Immigration laws create, long delays for LEGAL, highly skilled immigrants, in getting their permanent residency. These immigrants pay their dues. When you'll address their concerns or you'lll continue to punish them for following law?"
Engineer: Can you please provide the link for your question on Change.gov
We will ask our friends and colleagues to vote for it.
Great job..
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days_go_by
01-30 07:17 AM
I think it is 45 working days, not counting weekends and holidays, that gives us 9 weeks of time to file for 140, that should be enough in most cases.
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kumar1
04-20 02:38 PM
I paid 100 USD to my attorney, just to reply to a small RFE. I think that is how it works.
I got soft LUD on 4/10 and a hard LUD on my wife's application on 4/13. My attorney recd the RFE today and informed that USCIS is requesting evidence of my marriage to be bonafide.
My attorney is asking for additional legal fees for replying to RFE. Gurus, do you think I should pay to the attorney or can I just reply to USCIS with evidence?
Thanks,
Praky
I got soft LUD on 4/10 and a hard LUD on my wife's application on 4/13. My attorney recd the RFE today and informed that USCIS is requesting evidence of my marriage to be bonafide.
My attorney is asking for additional legal fees for replying to RFE. Gurus, do you think I should pay to the attorney or can I just reply to USCIS with evidence?
Thanks,
Praky
whoever
02-07 12:55 PM
I predict the movement of PD for april'07 will be significant for EB2 India, EB3 ROW for sure. They would not hold up everyone in EB2 India, EB3 ROW at the current priority dates.
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