Lasantha
03-13 03:41 PM
No, EB3 ROW can use all the available EB3 ROW numbers. But the unused EB2 (ROW/Mex/Phil) have been distributed to the oversubscribed countries.
That's how I interpret that.
The popular belief was that the unused EB2 ROW would first go EB3 ROW but according to this they actually go to the oversubscribed countries in the same category (EB2)
does this mean that EB3 ROW can't use all available visa for 3rd qtr that is why there were visas available for India EB2 (hence the established cutoff date of Dec 2003). but this should only happen if EB3 ROW is current but it is not.
this does not make sense. anybody????
Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides that if total demand will be insufficient to use all available numbers in a particular Employment preference category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual �per-country� limit. It has been determined that based on the current level of demand being received, primarily by Citizenship and Immigration Services Offices, there would be otherwise unused numbers in the Employment Second preference category. As a result, numbers have once again become available to the India Employment Second preference category. The rate of number use in the Employment Second preference category will continue to be monitored, and it may be necessary to make adjustments should the level of demand increase substantially.
That's how I interpret that.
The popular belief was that the unused EB2 ROW would first go EB3 ROW but according to this they actually go to the oversubscribed countries in the same category (EB2)
does this mean that EB3 ROW can't use all available visa for 3rd qtr that is why there were visas available for India EB2 (hence the established cutoff date of Dec 2003). but this should only happen if EB3 ROW is current but it is not.
this does not make sense. anybody????
Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides that if total demand will be insufficient to use all available numbers in a particular Employment preference category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual �per-country� limit. It has been determined that based on the current level of demand being received, primarily by Citizenship and Immigration Services Offices, there would be otherwise unused numbers in the Employment Second preference category. As a result, numbers have once again become available to the India Employment Second preference category. The rate of number use in the Employment Second preference category will continue to be monitored, and it may be necessary to make adjustments should the level of demand increase substantially.
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gcisadawg
03-11 01:30 PM
How does insulting your own culture help us here ? "Crab mentality" as it is popularly known, exists in numerous cultures across the world. Go google for the term and you will know.
Forget about Cultures, it exists even within families across numerous cultures. Many times we have seen cases where one family member is jealous of the success of others and trying to put him/her down.
Forget about Cultures, it exists even within families across numerous cultures. Many times we have seen cases where one family member is jealous of the success of others and trying to put him/her down.
walking_dude
11-14 05:36 PM
Responded to your PM. Thanks for your wishes.
PM'ed you.. good luck with you efforts :)
PM'ed you.. good luck with you efforts :)
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jthomas
12-03 03:39 PM
I don't think the legal immigrant community has a problem of contributing 20 dollars or 50 dollars to IV. We are sure we all can afford it. Then why do u think members are not contributing?
I think we need to start contribution setup from state level and then the total amount should be be given to the core. If certain state groups organize meetings, email call their members and ask every member for some contribution they will contribute.
The only way is to go approach each member, talk to them, answer their problems and ask for contributions.
this is just my idea. Maybe i am wrong....
I think we need to start contribution setup from state level and then the total amount should be be given to the core. If certain state groups organize meetings, email call their members and ask every member for some contribution they will contribute.
The only way is to go approach each member, talk to them, answer their problems and ask for contributions.
this is just my idea. Maybe i am wrong....
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mpadapa
05-23 03:28 PM
Calling does help in many ways. People have to think positive rather than berating an effort.
Based on the original post, I infer that lawmakers won't care if they receive calls from LEGAL Aliens. If that is the logic then why do you think that lawmakers will work on "immigration" bills. After all the "immigration" bills only benefit folks who don't vote immediately. But one of lawmakers duty is to build the next generation America, and "immigration" bills benefit next generation America. People got to understand this fundamental difference and stop being pessimistic about IV efforts.
Directly talking to lawmakers office (through phone or in person) is far more effective than Web faxes and digital signatures.
I just cannot understand how high-skilled folks can be so short sighted, Look at the big picture.
Agree with original post.
Numbers USA people are angry right wing citizens.
Calls from legal aliens who can't vote won't move lawmakers one bit. Money and votes are the only 2 things that matter to politicians.
Pressure groups and lobbyists have far more reach and influence. IV as a group can use lobbyists and other influence to get a lot more done. Individual phone calls are a waste.
DBCD
Based on the original post, I infer that lawmakers won't care if they receive calls from LEGAL Aliens. If that is the logic then why do you think that lawmakers will work on "immigration" bills. After all the "immigration" bills only benefit folks who don't vote immediately. But one of lawmakers duty is to build the next generation America, and "immigration" bills benefit next generation America. People got to understand this fundamental difference and stop being pessimistic about IV efforts.
Directly talking to lawmakers office (through phone or in person) is far more effective than Web faxes and digital signatures.
I just cannot understand how high-skilled folks can be so short sighted, Look at the big picture.
Agree with original post.
Numbers USA people are angry right wing citizens.
Calls from legal aliens who can't vote won't move lawmakers one bit. Money and votes are the only 2 things that matter to politicians.
Pressure groups and lobbyists have far more reach and influence. IV as a group can use lobbyists and other influence to get a lot more done. Individual phone calls are a waste.
DBCD
Gravitation
07-11 06:16 PM
They either have to reject the application or provide the receipt notice. Cannot hold the applications without any actions for long time.
You really think they're in any kind of rule-following mood lately?
You really think they're in any kind of rule-following mood lately?
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gsc999
07-11 06:41 PM
[COLOR=Navy][FONT=Comic Sans MS]I think you guys are organizing a watershed event for skilled, legal immigrants - I wish you great success.
I cannot emphasize the importance of alerting media to this. Media attention is not at its best over the weekend so you will have to work extra hard to make sure that you get good media coverage. I hope that someone is working on creating a press release for the event.
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Will the Nor Cal P.R. person please stand-up!
We are coordinating the media effort with the core team and focussing on the tactical stuff right now.
I cannot emphasize the importance of alerting media to this. Media attention is not at its best over the weekend so you will have to work extra hard to make sure that you get good media coverage. I hope that someone is working on creating a press release for the event.
--
Will the Nor Cal P.R. person please stand-up!
We are coordinating the media effort with the core team and focussing on the tactical stuff right now.
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snram4
01-17 01:09 PM
Hope is ok. But IV core has more access than normal members like lawyers, lobbyists. So their view is important. Atleast interpretation of Memo need to known to the members. Also feasiblity of succcess, amount of effort and money need to be known to the members. I am seeing silent in most lawyer sites like immigration-law, shusterman, ILW. Everyone posted memo but no one really that much bothered
I request you not to deviate from the topic. Lets hope IV core come up and support in this.
I request you not to deviate from the topic. Lets hope IV core come up and support in this.
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wandmaker
06-01 12:15 PM
Let us start calling and build a momentum.
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09-24 01:20 AM
sorry man, my hinglish is vrey vrey vrey poor. so plaese bear wtih me.
Lets not argue, lets discuss, maybe I could agree with your views. So heer it goes, how is quota limits fair to anybody? I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Ok, I will give you a weak analogy. See how Indian IPOs distribute shares when it is oversubscribed. The same thing goes here. Replace money by applicants and replace investors by countries, and you will get a sense as to why per country quota is implemented. I agree it is hard to digest the per country quota, but it is what it is. It is affirmative action if you will. It requires equality, but gives some buffer to people not properly represented (or run the risk of being overwhelmed by any single country).
Lets not argue, lets discuss, maybe I could agree with your views. So heer it goes, how is quota limits fair to anybody? I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Ok, I will give you a weak analogy. See how Indian IPOs distribute shares when it is oversubscribed. The same thing goes here. Replace money by applicants and replace investors by countries, and you will get a sense as to why per country quota is implemented. I agree it is hard to digest the per country quota, but it is what it is. It is affirmative action if you will. It requires equality, but gives some buffer to people not properly represented (or run the risk of being overwhelmed by any single country).
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SGP
04-01 05:04 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$GOOD MORNING GC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
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12-07 09:27 AM
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04-26 09:08 AM
... and made my $100 contribution. My wife is very skeptical, but I am sure that if we don't do anything our chances to get the situation resolved are even smaller.
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09-24 07:08 PM
There have been a lot of updates sent out via the verified state chapter mailing lists. If you are not part of any state chapter please check this page http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=52 and if there is no state chapter for your state, you can request to become member of a neighboring state chapter.
http://boards.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=286606
I know the post was entirely wrong and foolish.
But I feel that I am in the dark about IV activities for the past one year.
I am one of the silent IV Supporters and long time (from the beginning) monthly contributing IV Member.
It would be better to have a special thread/monthly bulleting page from IV to tell the members to know about IV activities or progress.
After the last year July fiasco issue I have not seen any posting about IV activities on the web site other than lot of threads and could not able to figure out the work IV is exactly doing.
I strongly believe because of IV core team only we were able to come through successful in July 2007 Bulletin issue. But do not know what else is IV doing for the past 12 months.
The Flowers, Letters and Phone Calls is not working as we expect. I do not know about other activities other than sending letters and phones during every congress session.
I believe IV need to do some thing different. There is no media reports about legal immigration issue (not for IV) for the past one year.
My perspective is that we need to find a way that Media and Public will aware of the issues we face every day.
I am not questioning the IV Core Team. It would be great if the IV members know some details about IV activities every month in a bulletin or thread etc.
Thanks
vselvam
http://boards.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=286606
I know the post was entirely wrong and foolish.
But I feel that I am in the dark about IV activities for the past one year.
I am one of the silent IV Supporters and long time (from the beginning) monthly contributing IV Member.
It would be better to have a special thread/monthly bulleting page from IV to tell the members to know about IV activities or progress.
After the last year July fiasco issue I have not seen any posting about IV activities on the web site other than lot of threads and could not able to figure out the work IV is exactly doing.
I strongly believe because of IV core team only we were able to come through successful in July 2007 Bulletin issue. But do not know what else is IV doing for the past 12 months.
The Flowers, Letters and Phone Calls is not working as we expect. I do not know about other activities other than sending letters and phones during every congress session.
I believe IV need to do some thing different. There is no media reports about legal immigration issue (not for IV) for the past one year.
My perspective is that we need to find a way that Media and Public will aware of the issues we face every day.
I am not questioning the IV Core Team. It would be great if the IV members know some details about IV activities every month in a bulletin or thread etc.
Thanks
vselvam
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h1aspirant
02-03 03:09 AM
Prashant,
When they had asked you to resubmit the docs, had they given you 221g blue form?
My case is weird, At the time of interview he approved my visa, gave me a card to fight for labour law enforcement in USA If I ever sit on bench in USA,
and then collected my passport.
When I received the courier , I was sure I have theb visa stamped already.
But I found 221g blue enclosed, along with passport, asking me to resubmit I797 etc
When I was asked to resubmit documents after the interview (via drop box), the consulate said they will need 6-8 working days from the date of receipt of the latter. They indeed took only 7 working days.
Also, I believe they must already have done PIMS verification in my case since they asked for additional info 16 days after the interview. So in total it took them 29 days ( incl weekends)
In your case, it doesnt seem they got enough time to do PIMS. It is hard to
estimate the delays.
Good luck though buddy....you will be fine.
When they had asked you to resubmit the docs, had they given you 221g blue form?
My case is weird, At the time of interview he approved my visa, gave me a card to fight for labour law enforcement in USA If I ever sit on bench in USA,
and then collected my passport.
When I received the courier , I was sure I have theb visa stamped already.
But I found 221g blue enclosed, along with passport, asking me to resubmit I797 etc
When I was asked to resubmit documents after the interview (via drop box), the consulate said they will need 6-8 working days from the date of receipt of the latter. They indeed took only 7 working days.
Also, I believe they must already have done PIMS verification in my case since they asked for additional info 16 days after the interview. So in total it took them 29 days ( incl weekends)
In your case, it doesnt seem they got enough time to do PIMS. It is hard to
estimate the delays.
Good luck though buddy....you will be fine.
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10-09 02:15 PM
Hi Mirchiseth,
Thanks for sharing the Info on your Case.
This is Indeed a very good news.
So far we have 2 Successful Cases wherein H1B Transfer was done
Successfully after Candidate Entered US on Advance Parole.
Hi All
I have been following this thread for the last few days and wanted to share some info. Hoping it would be useful.
I entered the country in Jan 08 using the AP while I was still working for my GC sponsoring employer. Then in June 08 I joined another employer by transferring my H1B to the new employer. I did have the option of using EAD but I wasn't sure if the renewal will come before the expiry of current EAD. So decided to transfer H1 and my new employer graciously agreed to it.
We did a premium transfer so got the approval in 2 weeks. Money does wonders (Almost like the proverbial paper weight with files). I confirm that the I94# number on I797 approval notice is same as the I94# number I got when entering the country in Jan 08.
So this should be a good news for folks who are trying to do the same. I am in a different boat right now. I have to travel to India this November. I plan to return using AP. But now my employer is different from my GC sponsoring employer. Another issue is that I am going only for two weeks while my wife will be in India till Mid Jan. So we will enter US separately using AP. Please share your thoughts if you have been in this situation.
Thanks for sharing the Info on your Case.
This is Indeed a very good news.
So far we have 2 Successful Cases wherein H1B Transfer was done
Successfully after Candidate Entered US on Advance Parole.
Hi All
I have been following this thread for the last few days and wanted to share some info. Hoping it would be useful.
I entered the country in Jan 08 using the AP while I was still working for my GC sponsoring employer. Then in June 08 I joined another employer by transferring my H1B to the new employer. I did have the option of using EAD but I wasn't sure if the renewal will come before the expiry of current EAD. So decided to transfer H1 and my new employer graciously agreed to it.
We did a premium transfer so got the approval in 2 weeks. Money does wonders (Almost like the proverbial paper weight with files). I confirm that the I94# number on I797 approval notice is same as the I94# number I got when entering the country in Jan 08.
So this should be a good news for folks who are trying to do the same. I am in a different boat right now. I have to travel to India this November. I plan to return using AP. But now my employer is different from my GC sponsoring employer. Another issue is that I am going only for two weeks while my wife will be in India till Mid Jan. So we will enter US separately using AP. Please share your thoughts if you have been in this situation.
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Bokke
06-20 05:40 AM
I think it ends like tomorrow... or something... not sure.
- Entries are to be posted in this thread by 20th June 2005
so it ends today huh ?
- Entries are to be posted in this thread by 20th June 2005
so it ends today huh ?
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Administrator2
05-23 11:40 PM
All Gurus,
Although we all live in the digital age, digital signatures of 20,000 people are less effective than 500 calls, and 500 calls is less effective then 50 members meeting their lawmakers in DC. Like it or not, that is how Washington works. We have to craft our methodology and adept to the ways that work in DC, and not the ways that sounds cool or most convenient. No one cares about how someone voted on IV's website or any other website, but they care when someone calls them and they keep a tally of the number of calls. For example, say if 99% of all the people voting (digitally signing) on Lou Dobbs show say that all H-1s should be sent home, do you think lawmakers care about that? Even if people provide names, and address, even then it is less effectively than 5% the number of people calling. Being an IT Analyst, one could fall into the trap of reasoning, but as we know, law is not based on logical and the process in which laws are made is also not logical. If it was based on logic and reason, we would not need Federal Affairs folks. Also, if we tell members to provide digital signatures, out of 20000 members, 200 people will give real names and data, the remaining people, the data would look something like First Name - Last Name as 'ABC' – 'DEF'. But members are more likely to feel comfortable in providing data to the lawmakers offcies. So you see, there are practical problems and considerations, although for the community that employs hi-technology for most part of their job, 'digital signature' may “sound” effective, but actually it is not.
Just another example, we have been advised by key decision makers, counsels, advisors and our partners for not sending web-fax. Thus we are not employing that method at this time. We pay experts for this advise, guys who know what works and what doesn't, and these guys have more than decades of experience.
We also constantly communicate with other groups and key folks at large employers some of whom we all know. We have come a long way in making these relationships to effectively run this campaign. A lot of times we are not able to disclose/explain the reason for a specific method on WWW, but before announcing and requesting members to spend their energies, we do good amount of debates and discussions with our counsel and paid strategist, which is part of the reason we pay them. In many cases we seek advice/ideas/suggestions from the top executives of the employers of some of IV members. So there is no point in this discussion. Please trust the strategy and methodology. We are high-skilled and critical ideas to conduct an effective campaign is welcome, however, we have a choice to just to be critical and do our own thing, or function as an cohesive organization acting on advise from our counsel.
BTW, just to clarify. There was no failure. We were told 2 weeks back how it will turn out, and it did exactly the way we were told. Murray-Gregg amendment could not have survived digital signatures of 20 million people. And we were told so by our counsel. But we were advised to continue to make those phone calls because these calls are counted and will have its effect for the next time. Trust us, our strategist is “The Best” one could hire in DC. Each such effort is an opportunity to gather more support to convince few more lawmaker. It is one step at a time. It is not an easy process, but the one that works. There are no shot cuts to the process of changing the law in the politically charged environment about immigration subject.
Although we all live in the digital age, digital signatures of 20,000 people are less effective than 500 calls, and 500 calls is less effective then 50 members meeting their lawmakers in DC. Like it or not, that is how Washington works. We have to craft our methodology and adept to the ways that work in DC, and not the ways that sounds cool or most convenient. No one cares about how someone voted on IV's website or any other website, but they care when someone calls them and they keep a tally of the number of calls. For example, say if 99% of all the people voting (digitally signing) on Lou Dobbs show say that all H-1s should be sent home, do you think lawmakers care about that? Even if people provide names, and address, even then it is less effectively than 5% the number of people calling. Being an IT Analyst, one could fall into the trap of reasoning, but as we know, law is not based on logical and the process in which laws are made is also not logical. If it was based on logic and reason, we would not need Federal Affairs folks. Also, if we tell members to provide digital signatures, out of 20000 members, 200 people will give real names and data, the remaining people, the data would look something like First Name - Last Name as 'ABC' – 'DEF'. But members are more likely to feel comfortable in providing data to the lawmakers offcies. So you see, there are practical problems and considerations, although for the community that employs hi-technology for most part of their job, 'digital signature' may “sound” effective, but actually it is not.
Just another example, we have been advised by key decision makers, counsels, advisors and our partners for not sending web-fax. Thus we are not employing that method at this time. We pay experts for this advise, guys who know what works and what doesn't, and these guys have more than decades of experience.
We also constantly communicate with other groups and key folks at large employers some of whom we all know. We have come a long way in making these relationships to effectively run this campaign. A lot of times we are not able to disclose/explain the reason for a specific method on WWW, but before announcing and requesting members to spend their energies, we do good amount of debates and discussions with our counsel and paid strategist, which is part of the reason we pay them. In many cases we seek advice/ideas/suggestions from the top executives of the employers of some of IV members. So there is no point in this discussion. Please trust the strategy and methodology. We are high-skilled and critical ideas to conduct an effective campaign is welcome, however, we have a choice to just to be critical and do our own thing, or function as an cohesive organization acting on advise from our counsel.
BTW, just to clarify. There was no failure. We were told 2 weeks back how it will turn out, and it did exactly the way we were told. Murray-Gregg amendment could not have survived digital signatures of 20 million people. And we were told so by our counsel. But we were advised to continue to make those phone calls because these calls are counted and will have its effect for the next time. Trust us, our strategist is “The Best” one could hire in DC. Each such effort is an opportunity to gather more support to convince few more lawmaker. It is one step at a time. It is not an easy process, but the one that works. There are no shot cuts to the process of changing the law in the politically charged environment about immigration subject.
coopheal
01-09 03:23 PM
All we Desi's want is a free ride, same old mentality, don't want to put in any diligence in this matter, but very quick on pointing short comings on others. Blame game!
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Make monthly monetary contribution for IV as a start.......
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Make monthly monetary contribution for IV as a start.......
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